also for that comment about the subject header thing i hadn't thought about it in that way but the way you put it makes sence. but i swear, i wasn't trying to say he was insulting your work, or that i was trying to insult your work...anyways it doesn't matter in the long run, not your poetrym thats not what i mean, i mean it as in this misunderstanding. what i meant by concious was i didn't go into my long fuller explaination of what i meant. i love rhyme and meter, infact i think people on this page in general are to hard on it and people who draft, but thats o.k cause thats their opinion. i think you've been a great influence on LR.