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I can see the inconsistency

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of how this sounded.

One thing that is difficult in making any reference to a portion of the Bible is that there are many other areas within its many books that further support and/or clarify the point one might try to make. The Bible is comprehensive over a span of a great many years, it is tied to itself in reference and the understanding that builds from a context from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelations.

Again, one must claim some allegiance with the Christian faith for my statement to work.

"If you are a believer in the Bible, man's made in God's image. This is a marvelous and awe-inspiring thing. But there are also cravings and biological-wirings that are akin to the animals, ie. sex, procreation, hunting, survival, that we cannot escape from. And the Bible also has something to say on that, that the body of flesh and the renewed divine mental spirit are at constant war with each other (see Romans)."

If you don't entertain the Christian perspective, then what I said holds no real relevance, and I was trying to state that "if you are a Christian," which I should have clarified to be, "if you consider the book of Genesis to be a true representation of man's sinful nature" for it is not merely Christians who hold that book as a type of canon or core foundation to their religion.

"this passage in romans, i believe, actually refers to inherited imperfection (from adam & eve) warring against the desire to do what's right in god's eyes - which we can't do perfectly even tho the desire may be there."

You are right, it does actually refer to inherited imperfection that wars against the desire to do God's will. And that imperfection, exhibited in disobedience is very often reflected through a person's actions that go against the Divine will. Sin came through disobedience, disobedience led to death, death is contained in the mortal body, and what a Christian does with his mortal body either births sin (death) or encourages life (renewing of the mind and preserving the body from such actions that would disgrace the "temple of God"). Consider this passage in Romans:

The wrath of God is beign revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth through their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and nature-have been clearly seen, begin understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor have thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. (Ro.1:18-23)
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. (Ro.1:24)
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. (Ro. 1:26)

So, clearly the body is being spoken of here. The world is fallen, exposed to sin, man is fallen, his mind is darkened and the body is defiled. Jesus was the Word made flesh to cancel the offense that reined in the body from the seed of Adam. Jesus is the new Adam, and:

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature (in that sin couldn't be removed by the law), God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.(like how the Jews sacrificed lambs and rams and chickens and Christ was also on the skewer).
(Ro.8:1-3)

Okay...that's long-winded again, but in trying to explain my comment, this is the best I could do since I have to run to work.


Hope that makes it as clear as mud what my intentions were.

and no to the following:
wasn't quite sure if your comment "cravings and biological-wirings that are akin to the animals, ie. sex, procreation, hunting, survival" was inferring that imperfection reflects the divine.

imperfection reflects man's fallen nature.



(and all you sensitive to the Christian faith please bear in mind I am making a point if one were to follow the Christian doctrines..I am not trying to preach to you)

-carmen