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um, well,

Posted to WritersAndGenres




if you have responses for me it'd be ok to respond directly to me rather than talking out the side of your mouth as if i wasnt there.

anyone who's done any reading whatsoever on kerouac knows about the thomas wolfe influence. i won't expand on that because that information is so readily available.

as far as celine, while i appreciate your statement that that comment was "something worse" than naivete and the subsequent implication that the reference was somehow anti-semetic, you'd do well to, again, simply do your research.

here, i'll do some for you:

"Burroughs was a major influence on Ginsberg's poetry for two reasons. It was through Burroughs that Ginsberg was "introduced to the works of Celine, Kafka, Baudelaire, Hart Crane and, perhaps most significantly for Ginsberg, William Blake""

from this

and:

David Amram: "DA  Yes.  I never knew whether Jack was reading something that he made up on the spot or if it was something of his own. There may be something by Walt Whitman in there, or maybe a fragment of a poem by Hart Crane, or something from Shakespeare, Beowulf or Chaucer. He knew all of these French poets like Celine, and he would say "check this out" or "dig this" and start reciting a Celine poem from memory."

from this

thanks for being so insistent with your misconceptions. makes it more fun to prove you wrong.

what you did have to add, though, while a little pedantic, might be relatively useful. joyce was more influential. stein was an influence from a language point of view, but only indirectly.

influence isnt merely about what came before, but rather what was read/studied/imitated, hence the joyce above stein comment.